And while Swaso is a former PUP Mayor, he said the meeting with his former chairman left him disillusioned. But, was he also insulted? That's what we asked him:
Jules Vasquez
"It's in my mind a very serious slur against a high office when a minister accuses or suggests that you know they write your own judgments."
Gilbert Swaso, Former Ombudsman
"I don't even want to dignify that, Jules, to be quite frank. So if it is, sir, that I wasn't able to articulate myself well, then certainly I would be the first not to have taken a post which would be above me. So I leave it as that."